The Game

My biggest issue with my new love interest is that he insists on ‘just dating’ (rather than being in a relationship) even though we’re now going on three months.

I don’t take issue with much. I don’t sweat the small stuff. Snoring? I can deal with that. I wear earplugs.

I’m not the kind of woman that still believes that someday soon before I die some guy will come into my life that is perfect in every way including no snoring. Having flaws is part of being human. If it even were possibly to be that perfect, too perfect is ultimately unattractive since you can’t connect with someone you can’t relate to. How could you relate to an perfect person when you have your own baggage and regiment you follow for self-improvement?

So now that I’m entirely off topic, it’s not just that which makes me uncomfortable, hesitant, and slightly distant. The whole only seeing each other even though we spend a lot of time with each other and have become close is part of it. The other part is part of the why he insists on this.

Part of what makes up his self-improvement regiment is that he wants to learn to be good with women, and he’s got it in his head that he has to learn about women by dating a lot of women.

I didn’t know about this when we first started seeing each other, but he is part, or is learning to be a part of, a secret society of pickup artists. Really. I’m serious. Stop laughing. He goes to these meeting things every Tuesday night that I can only guess is where a bunch of guys sit in a circle and talk about how to figure out and get into womens’ panties and build their own self confidence to do so.

Life is so weird, I couldn’t make this stuff up.

He belongs to an online forum for them, they call them lairs (seriously, stop laughing). He has a bunch of books in his house on the subject of picking up women complete with workbooks and cheesiness. I raised my eyebrows at this the first time I was over his house and laughed:

“AD&D Players Handbook Third Edition… Oracle SQL Interactive Workbook… Visual Basic .Net Programmer’s Reference… The Art of Japanese Swordsmanship… Business Plans for Dummies… A Complete Hacker’s Handbook… Palmistry… How to Attract Anyone, Anytime, Anyplace…?”

…and there were worse sounding titles than that.

Until then, minus all of my art books, and a different flavor of programming books, the library reads similar to mine. I expect the nightstand to have porn, but all of the sex self help wasn’t as expected. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all about self help. I’ve read interpretations of the Kama Sutra. I approve of that.

I picked up some and read chapters of some of the books he has, but I’ve been avoiding anything too sketchy looking. Anything with the implications that it’s one of those pick up artist (PUA) guides makes me a little leery.

It’s maybe like getting to know someone and getting real close and then finding out they belong to a cult. I’m trying not to judge, but anything that calls itself a secret society registers as cultish anyways. Anything that is dedicated to getting women in bed makes my feminist sensibilities hurt. The fact that I’ve gotten this close to someone who belongs to any kind of secret society makes me nervous. The fact I’ve gotten this close to someone who I guess is some kind of player in training is just… I don’t even know.

Like I’ve said, I’ve been meeting some of the friends. One of them I’ve been over his house a few times on my own to hang out, make cookies, and watch X-men. It occurred to me before I met him that it could be a fellow PUA. As I was meeting him, it didn’t take me long, I was sure. I didn’t see the tell-tale books about his house, but I did spy a magazine on his coffee table that told all. When I picked on him for it, he told me he read it for the cool gadgets they show every issue. I’m sure he also get’s porn for the articles too, right? I told him to stop acting ashamed about it- if you’re going to be something be it. I may not understand the scene at all, know much about it, or even approve once I get to know more, but if you’re choosing to be something, you better be okay enough with it to be able to say, “Yeah, so, and? Fuck you if you don’t approve.”

He asked me how much the boy had told me about PUA. I told him truthfully that I’ve been told nothing directly, but I did find his blog which talks a about it complete with thick jargon without a glossary.

What I didn’t go on about was that I’m smart, though. I read books. I surf the internet. I’ve read between the lines on things he’s talked about with self-improvement and groups things that have helped him. I even read between the lines when he tries something out on me. I know that some things are his own creation, and some things are from things he’s learned that he wants to try out (and some things a combination of the two).

Really, though, I don’t know enough about PUA and the more secretive people act, the closer I get to the boy, the more I want to know.

This friend of the boy’s was asking how much I was told as if he would then turn around and give the boy a talking to. It seemed like he disapproved that the boy leaves stuff around. Maybe he was just disgusted at the lack of style, or maybe he was worried he would reveal their secrets or something.

And yet, he was the one who gave me the idea where to start researching.

A book has come up a bunch, and the friend has it listed as his favorite book. I’m not going to read every book, system, and watch every DVD and video clip at the boy’s house. I’d rather read and study the SQL books, but I probably won’t do that either. Still, I want a better understanding of the thing that makes me uncomfortable about a person I am getting closer to as time goes on. He won’t talk about it, so this book seems like a good place to start.

Don’t get me wrong. Dating and meeting his friends and having him meet my friends and taking trips, it’s taking up a lot of my time. I don’t want to spend all of my time researching this and trying to understand him. I still need to focus on me and my goals. I know my blog has been hijacked by him in this indirect fashion lately, but it’s an outlet to keep it him from distracting me the rest of the time. If it doesn’t go into words on here or on paper, it stays in my head playing a bad game of Breakout. Boing, boing. Get the picture?

The title of the book is The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists. Okay, now you’re laughing again.

I just started reading it, and am doing so slowly and hesitantly. It’s like the time I tried reading the Bible (Old to New Testament). I didn’t get far. I did it with the idea that doing so would give me a better understanding and respect for people who chose to follow it. At some point while reading, it started to do the opposite. Then I realized most people who call themselves religious or followers of the Bible have read snippets at best, so reading it wasn’t going to help me understand them anyways.

I hope this doesn’t do the same, but if it does, then I at least will be able to have a rational issues with it. Right now it’s more that I’m wary of it because I don’t get it, and I shouldn’t be afraid of it for those reasons. I don’t understand why when things are going so well between us, when he has no time for much else, when he has other more important seeming goals that he feels like he needs to spend time seeing other women or study being a PUA. Who knows if he actually does even see other women. If he does I don’t know when he has time to. It’s not something I want to ask about because it’s not something I think I’d really want to know the specifics of.

Maybe it has something to do with building self confidence and stroking ego. Maybe it has to do with exploring masculinity and breaking away from societies conventions and definitions of what being man means, though one could argue PUA is just following yet another ‘supposed to’ for men. Right now, though, I don’t have much of a basis for my ideas, so I begin to read.

My first impression of the book left me both impressed and disgusted:

If you are reading this, I want you to know I wasn’t running game on you. I was being sincere. Really. You were different.

I laughed and threw up a little in my mouth.

But then he quotes The Feminine Mystique:

Men weren’t really the enemy- They were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no bears to kill.

Food for thought, yes, I do believe sexism is not just an issue that women face. Men have their own stereotypes and issues to overcome that I will never fully know or understand having faced my own journey being a woman. I’m not sure what this has to do with the game exactly, yet, but the use of the quote does intrigue me. Is it a rationalization for behavior, or a statement that the Game is learning to breaking from it?

You might be wondering why I don’t discuss this with the boy, as communication is the way as I’ve said over and over on the blog. The answer is that it’s a secret society. I can’t even get him to say what really goes on Tuesday nights. The only reason I know he meets with a group was vague answers, and then once I’d assumed he was doing worse things, he clarified.

I have tried to push this with direct questions as well as jibes and joking and so far I haven’t been able to draw him into conversation on the subject, so I will continue my outside research.

Maybe you think I should leave this alone, but I’m not one for ignorance. If I’m going to be with someone who plays this game, I want to know what it is.

  • Run. Do not walk. Run to the nearest exit.

  • I have the feeling I’m going to get that a lot from people.

    This is the first time I’ve had a blog and been seeing someone at the same time. It’s possible you may have said that for every guy I’ve ever dated.

    Time will tell with this. I’m still happy and will not break it off on the basis of nine words in a blog comment, but I appreciate the thought.

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  • SteveJ

    I find this story incredibly sad. I always knew the “cool” guys who were secretly D&D nerds…you could sorta see their desire for secrecy. It takes a few years to get manly enough to admit you’re a big nerdy jock. However, this PUA club sounds like mental masturbation to me. If you were a successful PUA, you wouldn’t want to be in a weekly meeting talking about it. After all you could be out doing what you do. And if that is what you do, you’re not keeping it a secret from anyone – only your buddies think you’re incredibly smooth when you feed that underage gal too many drinks and make your move.

    I suppose you could see picking up as an art form complete with secret moves. It sure makes it sound cooler than: I compensate for my lack of self-confidence by deceiving others.

    I think I’ll go start a secret knitting club. I mean I don’t knit, I don’t know anything about knitting, but I’m sure I could read a book and sit around and talk about it with other people who don’t knit.

    That said I’ve got some gems from playing bball. Most of these were shouted across the court to a lady walking by.

    “Hey baby, you wrapped up tighter than a taco!”
    “I’m not a player baby. Playin’s been done. Let’s record somthing new.”
    “There is something wrong with my cell phone. It doesn’t have your number in it.”
    “Baby we go together like cake and ice water!”

    Of course, the only line in my experience that’s actually worked – unless of course you weren’t hoping to end up happily married: “I’d like to hold your hand.”

  • Dan G.

    Hi. I stumbled onto your blog while Google imaging screenshots for Final Fantasy III. I read a couple of your posts and just wanted to say that I think your blog is extremely thoughtful and well written so I bookmarked you for future reading =)

    I’ve never read The Game but I heard an interview on the radio with the author, Neil Strauss. The book is a guide on how to get girls into bed. Period. Once the reader accomplishes this where things go from there is really up to him. Strauss genuinely sounded like his intentions in writing it were good. Unfortunately, that doesn’t necessarily mean the reader’s are.

    Obviously I don’t know you and have no right to speculate about your situation, but I’d at least like to offer some insight on your pick-up artist in training. Save for being part of a “secret” society I’ve been in a very similar situation with a girl and can tell you, as a guy, it’s pretty much a lock he doesn’t want to apply the relationship label because in his mind it rationalizes him meeting (and potentially sleeping with) other girls. I think he likes you but the second he applies that label he’d be cheating which he isn’t prepared to do. As long as you two aren’t official he can do whatever he wants guilt free. I read some of your earlier entries about him and suspected but this one kind of sealed the deal. Not saying you should necessarily break it off with him…just be aware. A pick-up artist with a girlfriend is practically a contradiction in terms.

    At any rate, I just wanted to give my two cents. Whatever the case is, I hope you get to the bottom of it.

  • @Steve

    “..when you feed that underage gal too many drinks..”

    Let’s be fair here, there’s no proof he or his other PUA guys are going after drunk underage gals.

    “It sure makes it sound cooler than: I compensate for my lack of self-confidence by deceiving others.”

    It’s obvious this starts with admitting a lack of self-confidence.

    And deception, is that what it’s really what it’s about? I mean the people in clubs that get picked up I’m assuming are probably people who like to go to clubs and get picked up. Where’s the deception? In making themselves seem cooler than they are by inventing false, shallow surface identities? Initiating head games and manipulation: performing steps just to get desired results? Yes, and yes, I see and empathize with your point of view. As a matter of fact, it’s my own. I guess I’m just hoping there’s more to it. Those kind of values (or lack there of) don’t mesh well with my own. Honesty and being up front are things are among my top list of values. With this exception, he seems the same way. I really don’t understand why he’s into PUA if everything else I know about him goes against this.

    So, this is me trying to figure out why someone like him is into PUA. It just seems to me like I shouldn’t be into the kinda guy that’s into PUA.

    “I think I’ll go start a secret knitting club. I mean I don’t knit, I don’t know anything about knitting, but I’m sure I could read a book and sit around and talk about it with other people who don’t knit.”

    This is why I sometimes say “…or PUA in training” because really he wouldn’t have these classes or meetings or whatever if he knew how to do it already. I like the analogy a lot.

    “Hey baby, you wrapped up tighter than a taco!”

    I don’t get it. Do I want to?

    “Baby we go together like cake and ice water!”

    Don’t get that one either. This one I even asked some guys about just to make sure I wasn’t dense. They didn’t get it either.

    “…unless of course you weren’t hoping to end up happily married…”

    I have a feeling that’s not the point of pickup lines. Actually I have a feeling I don’t know the point. They don’t seem to pick up much of anything… maybe a few laughs?

  • @Dan

    “I stumbled onto your blog while Google imaging screen shots for Final Fantasy III.”

    One of the best things about playing ROMs… the screen shots. I hate it when I’m playing on my actually systems and think ‘want a screen shot!’ but can’t do anything about it.

    “I read a couple of your posts and just wanted to say that I think your blog is extremely thoughtful and well written so I bookmarked you for future reading”

    Well thanks! I got an RSS feed too.

    “The book is a guide on how to get girls into bed. Period. Once the reader accomplishes this where things go from there is really up to him.”

    That’s a good point to be made. The point of PUA is to get the girl, then what? What does my boy actually want with this? What is he looking for? If it’s just more sex with more women, what are we doing spending all of this time together, doing stuff, meeting eachothers’ friends, going on trips, etc.?

    “As long as you two aren’t official he can do whatever he wants guilt free.”

    The one thing he can’t do that he could if we were in a relationship is hold onto me. I’ve already warned him that I’m looking for more and if I find it’s possible with someone else, that will be the end of us. I’d rather stop looking and just go out with him, but as time ticks away, I’m losing hope that it’s a possibility.

    It’s like he both wants a girlfriend and wants to be single at the same time, and as time goes on I feel like I’m more and more filling the role of a girlfriend without benefits of one. I’m like the girlfriend that doesn’t mind. Well, I kinda do mind. As long as it’s there, it’s preventing us from being a certain kind of close, being at a certain level of trust, and is making me question his character.

    Maybe he thinks PUA can help him get more women, but it may be the thing that makes him lose one he actually seems to care about.

    I’m trying hard to be understanding, but it’s possible that there is really nothing more for me to understand. I might be looking for some deeper meaning that isn’t there. That means he might not be the kind of guy I think he is.

  • SteveJ

    @Celes,

    Didn’t say the lines made sense. That’s probably why they’re memorable, you spend the next few days laughing about it and telling other people to confuse them. And that last one…it wasn’t the only time that guy brought up cake and ice water, it was his “Whatchu talkin bout willis” tag line.

    “I’m like the girlfriend that doesn’t mind. Well, I kinda do mind”

    Kinda?

  • Dan G.

    I hear you on the ROMS. Only problem is with FF3 it’s impossible to perform Sabin’s more powerful blitzes using only the keyboard. This is a bit of a tangent but my roommate actually has a modded Xbox with Atari, NES, SNES, and N64 emulators so luckily I’m able to get my FF3 (and Street Fighter 2) fix there. =)

    I hope that book helps your boy accomplish his goal but the impression I got from Strauss was that he decided to become a PUA because he was happy and confident in every aspect of his wife EXCEPT for his dealings with women. To me this is fine and even understandable. What isn’t understandable is trying to compensate for a general lack of confidence by learning to pick up women. The best lines in the world won’t help you get laid if you don’t have the confidence in yourself to begin with. Learning Jiu-Jitsu is a step in the right direction. Attending secret PUA (read: self-help)meetings is not.

  • “…it’s impossible to perform Sabin’s more powerful blitzes using only the keyboard.”

    I actually disagree. It takes getting used to, but it’s very doable. I have the ROM for the re release for GBA which is amazing (translation much better) and I can do them fine. The key combos ARE different for that version, but the more powerful ones are almost exactly the same. The trick is to treat the keyboard like the d-pad. Don’t try to press the diagonals individually, but slide your finger around the number pad.

    In general the big down side of ROMs is using the keyboard. Some games it is such a hassle it’s not even fun anymore.

    “…EXCEPT for his dealings with women. To me this is fine and even understandable. What isn’t understandable is trying to compensate for a general lack of confidence by learning to pick up women.”

    I agree, and I don’t think the boy has a general lack of confidence- far from it. I didn’t know him before, so I don’t know if he was like Strauss and just didn’t know how to talk to women. However, after talking with him more on the subject, I suspect this was the case.

    But I’ll get into that more in another post.